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how much would this one be for sale ?

I have seen them go for about 20 Mil. The QL 104 and lower are around 12 Mil or so each. Best damage for melee atleast that and adventuer can have.

15m now, lower QL's about 10

this one i see sellfor the cheapest lately...7 -10 mil...all ql's 7-10 mil except for the 100, which is like 20-30 or less if u find someone who doesnt realize or doesnt care.hehe

i'm using 2 now...got them on at 133...probably could have done sooner if i didnt have to wait to untrain perks (so i could train ambidextrous up 3 levels..)

now the question is when (or if) to use gelids...
i'll definitely stick with my crispies for now...
min damage is 100+2 arul sabas for +42, plus a ring of physics with +17...
so i'm doing 159-609 per hit....only way i'll probably switch to gelids is if i get some cold damage sabas i guess...

Roflmao! You forgot about 1he skill, u must know, than above 1he that above a damage. If you have 1he around 1000, Crispy doing 400-1800 damage per hit, without damage mods.

yeah, hehe, that's just the numbers not taking the attack rating into account...
the thing i was wrong about though, is the timing of when you add in your damage modifiers....you dont add the saba bracelets and ring mods until after you factor in the attack rating...
so it's really 100-550 ... * the attack rating equation... + all your mods..
i believe attack rating multiplier is (AR/400) +1
so with attack rating of 800....multiplier is 800/400 +1 = 3..
so with no damage mods, your crispy will do 300-1650 damage...now you add your rings, sabas, etc..

that thing cant be right.
that would meen that with an attack rating of 1200 i should do 1k hits min with my smg.
but i only do 1025 with dmg adds... 4gem aruls and other stuff as well...
but i've always belived that the dmg multiplyer is 2,5 at 1k attack rating...
was that back in the old days.. and over1k it get changed

i got mine for 3 mil :)

do you think two crispy chiropteras would be more effective than two gelid blades?

2 crispys are ok for PvP or RK stuff but they tripple suck in SL.. Gelids are teh way to go.

If you keep a crispy in one hand, you can still make use of brawling and backstab. Would be split damage though...suppose you can wear the bracer of recondite flame to fix that.

All weapons from coh do more dmg then the stats, stat won't help with some weapons hitting harder and some with better specials, coh weapons usually do 500-1100 give or take to hecks at ql 105

Except when you get to Adonis, and the hecks have AC so high that they push the crispys down to minimum damage. Then you hit for 480-500 all the time.

the crispys are cool :)
i want 2 of it ^^ gimme lol

im using 1 crispy and 1 gelid at lvl 150, i would go gelid x2 but its nice to have sneak, brawl and dimach for alpha's in pvp^^

This would be nice for doc if it didnt have those blasted prof reqs.. poo.. -.-

Does the animal weapons drop very rarely since they are so god damn expensive?

animal weapons?

this 2x is THE best Weapon Setup for any froob Adv/Enf

Quote: Afireinside @ 2006-07-11 18:25
this 2x is THE best Weapon Setup for any froob Adv/Enf

Thats debatable. :)
Gelid has that Nice dmg proc that hit failry regular for an extra 900.
Use 2 crispies and you only get weap dmg.

1 crispy + 1 gelid, great setup for that weird 1he area where the Kyr axes suck, and the better ones req too much MM. For advees, u get the best of both worlds with a crispy in offhand for backstab,brawl, sneak, and Gelid for the proc and nice min dmg. Sneak for pvp, and backstabs and brawls when teamed, help make up for the lack of min dmg in SL. imo, the fun factor helps too ;) . . . nothing that probably hasn'tbeen mentioned 5 times here, just don't feel like reading everything :P

Also like the nano pool/nano cost modifiers :) stack that with a couple of other goodies and imps and advies will hardly run out of nano during fights as well, almost like docs :D

The God of all froob Advy 1HE weapons pre Gelids... wish I could get some from CoH / had the money to buy some :( 19 levels to go though I reckon til I can get a pair of these babies on =/

Gurudee @ 2006-09-18 10:24

Quote: Afireinside @ 2006-07-11 18:25
this 2x is THE best Weapon Setup for any froob Adv/Enf

Thats debatable. :)
Gelid has that Nice dmg proc that hit failry regular for an extra 900.
Use 2 crispies and you only get weap dmg.

Problem with using a gelid though is its slower than the chirops on attack and recharge, so sure, you get a nice proc for taht wee bit of extra damage, but, it means sacrificing number of attacks.. also with +dd rings on you would be limited to getting damage boost from just one weapon (or half from both).. and since not alot of mobs have huge HPs on RK, the min damage on the chirop isn't too much of an issue.

Just wear a http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=245276 to get fire damage in both weapons

that was stated earlier...

hey zinrax...1he enfos can't use that :P

who on earth would ever make a 1he enfo? ;)

Everyone with half a brain wanting a good TL4/5 enfo Zinrax? ;)

Yeah hehe.. long as everyone understand that my first post here was for advy's and as for 1he enfo's i know they are good and that was meant a joke. :)

Still a decent option for offhand even for TL5 adv twinks, it's damage is less reliable than a kyr axe but it requires almost no IP in multimelee, has good mods, and is hard to make go OE.

using 1 of them on my 115soli enfo atm and ooboy sweet

They almost nerfed the adventurers for CoH weapons seeing as the enforcer can use the howlet, chiroptera, and the panther, also the chiroptera has all the melle specials while the howlet and panther dont have sneak attack and one of them (i cant remeber) doesnt have dimach, nerfed, good dps etc etc, but nerfed for reqs. Ive seen a 49 enfo with a howlet but it is deemed impossible to have a chiroptera at 49...

its possible but it would just b oe

it's possible to keep chirop, howlet and panther 100% at 49, its even possible to keep QL101 versions of panther&chirop 100% at 49 selfbuffed. dont know about howlet.

101 chirop at 49 lvl? somehow doubt it...

Its possible to get a QL104 chiro selfbuffed out of OE @ lvl60 so i think ql101 @ 49 should be possible !

drops from shadows?

yep dropped for me 2nd kill ;-)

I get 1025 to 1500 hits critd upto 2250 lowest hir 600 700 but here rare plus fast attack recharge is like twice as fast :-)

I have a fire bracer on my adv she does fire dmg not rad lol :-)