What mob in Foremans drops it?

the director boss mob.

VERY VERy good pistol pre 100

HIGHLY recommended to any pistolero advs out there

Also damn good post lvl 200 in SL

Works great in PvP for pre-175 Advent's with a JSPP... (After 175 its best to go with RoP)

i`m 205+ engi and still use it, Excellent Pistol! ***HIGHLY recommended***

I actually managed to get these on at level 41 (solitus crat) - someone told me it was easy to get on, so i wouldn't suffer the defeat - after 4 hours of calculating, making implants, getting buffs, changing perks i finally got them on. When i told my friend, she said "You're insane - i said they were somewhat easy to get around level 41, not to get them on"..

Oh well, i got them on, and they kick ass! Even when they were 75% OE, i still did a lot of damage.

Beware, though, if you solo: They pull a lot of aggro ;) Could be fatal :P

Lab Director in Formans Office Donjeun drop it, Locations "The Longest Road"

Just FYI, to all who wants this gun. Dont expect getting it without outside help, or if your toon is highlevel (which would make the gun useless to you :P). The Lab Director is always camped, since everybody wants what he drops - these guns, orders for crat items, and so on. Find a highlevel damagedealer to help you out ;) Only once have i seen him uncamped, and that didn't last long ;)

Also, his spawn times are a little annoying. 20%ish chance of spawn every 20 minute, so he doesn't show up that often ;)

Actually Minokhoon, since its not profession locked and has no MBS, it is very good at high level, Soldier dualing it with a Jobe City Guard Personal Pistol do very well, Burst/FA/Fling and nice min damage from the JCGPP.

No problem getting this for me, soloed the foreman at about level 70ish. Bot2win. Also got the elite bow tie, 300 psych to assemble though, yeesh.

Last time I went to get it, I could walk right in and kill the un-camped Lab Director. You can be lucky :)

Lab DIrector (lvl 80) : spawn time has been 1h and 1h30
+ 2 Soldier Guards (lv 60 ?)
Camping problems start from ~12:00 GMT ; LabDir was uncamped at 08:00 GMT

Lab director spawn is 20% chance every 20mins. Good offhand pistol for just about anyone.

I tried to get this ages ago for my ADV and failed. Played an alt for a long time then logged on the ADV to ungimp him. Went to foremans, no campers and dropped 1st time. w00t !

its a 100% drop...

They arent hard to get at all. I have escorted many orgmate's to get pairs of these with no problem.

They aren't a 100% drop, but the papers in some form do seem to be.

It's easy to twink on at 41... And beware, Septiklarsen has been reported several times as a scammer ;p

It's not 100% drop. I camped that place for 4 hours. It spawned 5 times and the first time it dropped, the other 3 it didn't drop. The last one finally dropped it.

CDR + JSPP = teh win!!

thats my curret setup at 138, i can self both :)

JEPP + CDR on my 126 advy, and can self them too :)

Going to try and get 2 for my MP - Before foremans gets nerfed

My lvl 60 Solitus Doctor Dual weilds these and solos Aztur. Aztur does take like 5 minutes of straight out damage and healing but its easy. Uklesh on the other hand is not easy but my point is that this gun is fantastic. With QL127 Pistol/fling/Burst implants J00 are unstoppable! well not really.... lol

wields* hehe

Ive just managed to Twink a pair of these onto my doctor at level 63 (thanks to some serious help), with only a few short trials they look awsome indeed.
Glad i got them before the foremans got nerfed.

*cries* its nerfed now.. how the hell do i get the T.I.M. Scope and two of these pistols now with my lvl 41 crat

Nerfed? How?

He probably means the level limit, so he can't get a 150+ friend to camp Biomare.

Nobody said it was the best pistol, though at the time that you can get it on will make make it one of the best for its level. Plus, its got high minimum damage that isn't really rivaled by any of its peers until you get up to 2x the requirement of this gun. It's also pretty easy to get if you don't count the occasional unlucky streak that pops up now and then.

Speaking of unlucky streaks, I find it very frustrating that I should always die when the Director reaches the last 10%. When I do kill him he just drops one Crat paper for each time I kill him. :p

with this little fella, you hit the hardcap of 9s burst at 1000. to my surprise, that makes our little ql80 gun a quite suitable offhand from 200-210 =)

OK, so does anyone have ANY idea which dyna/dynas this drops off now that biomare is level locked??

Notum Soldier, apparently - don't know the drop rate though...

So nice of FC to put into the loot table of such a "high" level mob... :/

and if you havent noticed, theres no MBS on this baby so more pistol skill you have the better it gets. i think my advy (206) hits about 600 damage a pop with this and bursts over 1.5k

@donger: at 206 your adv should equip ai pistols type 4 and 1. adv do really have nice (self only) buffs...
my mp hits for 820 (type 1) and 750 (type 4) - burst is at ~2200. all with aruls and dmg rings

WHY is this pistol soo good?

hey i got a good question...whats the limit lvl cap on formans dungeon?

Shartris/Komodites

level 100 afaik

Where does Notum Soldier spawn? and what level?

This isnt worth putting together a raid team for to kill the notum sol. And btw; with the biomare revamp, the director has 2 new adds, called "Executive protectors" who drop some nice ncu, but have a special attack that does ~6 hits with a higher chance 2 crit. lets just say that my doc didnt like getting hit for ~1.5k :P

Seems like this pistol isn't significantly better than a similar QL Electronicum, except for the sizeable specials (I've been dual-wielding a QL75 Electronicum and a CDR while working up the skills to dual the CDR, and the damage isn't much less for the Electronicum). The Electronicums are much easier to equip, however, so I think I'm gonna stick with those for my NT who hasn't been training for these for several levels (and he's got OET Co. buff guns when teaming). But my doc is loving them, because without good guns a doc just can't do much damage.

This pistol is very good at low level for pretty nice overall damage, and at middle (180 max) for capped specials. At 140-180 JEPP + CDR was very nice for me at ado. After you should really switch to type 1 kyrozch + JEPP. If you wear CDR at 200+ you are total gimp.

This pistol is also good for docs...my lvl 39 doc already can get the gun on with wrangle+ riot control...and she still has ql 50 imps!

note for people: this gun uses fire AC...making it a good gun for SL

also, gun sucks at lvl 100...150-250 damage, 150-400 fling, and 400-600 burst isn't that good...compared to slayer :)

No, 100 is the last level you can enter it... After level 100 (that is, 101++), you won't be able to enter anymore

would dualing this be a good idea? at level 41 ofc, before i get JSPP in mainhand

Pajeron @ 2005-11-28 21:37
OK, so does anyone have ANY idea which dyna/dynas this drops off now that biomare is level locked??

Greldik @ 2005-11-29 19:44
Notum Soldier, apparently - don't know the drop rate though...

Have they been reading any of the three pages of posts above them? I don'y think it can be any more clear.

Im using this plus a home defender, as a trader. Works very well.

Hmm I need to know the burst skill necessary to reach speed cap, in order to figure out what to implant :o

"If you wear CDR at 200+ you are total gimp"
This is false. With enough add damage, and i mean a lot of add damage, this gun will still od a type 1. That is a assuming your offhand weapon does not have fling or burst.

@Veara...The comments about the notum soldier dropping this is for this reason: After the biomare revamp and the subsequent level lock at 100 FC didn't want to deprive all those over lvl 100 (who because of the revamp couldn't get into foremans) of all the unique items there, so items like this and the TIM scope were put into loot tables of other RK mobs so they could be obtained by these lvl 100+ players. So Pajeron was asking which OTHER mob drops the CDR and Greldik supplied the answer :)

i no foremans is lvl locked but can you still b warped inside or will it kick you out? My friend needs these desperatly and keeps asking me for help and wenever i ask him if you can get warped into foremans he never knows.

No u cant get warped jo , and this gun doesnt suck , 1k burst 400+ FS is pretty good considering it also has a tight damage range

extreme prejudice+ wrangle+ riot control = very very easy pistol to get on, hell it would make a great subtwink gun if is was not level loked

extreme prejudice+ wrangle=oe , easy to get it on but a noob gun makes more dmg than u..

oh.. my god.. i just wet my pants =D

Ninja @ 2006-04-18 19:07

@ Comi
If you were pvping and you opened up your NCU it would be there for .01 seconds :D

The point of you seeing it in your NCU, would be depending on the Duration Time, not the Attack/Recharge Time.
If you take a second and look there is no duration time, so wondering if they should add a duration time or not, probably wont, but anyways these pistols(Customized IMI Desert Reet 1000) freaking pwn, for a mid lvl engineer.
My lvl 127 Nanomage engineer still uses them with a 200 slayer, and it used them at lvl 41ish, which ODed just about everything in the temple, and when i went to mortiigs in spade, still ODed everyone even though i had a 200slayer, Hecks well it still pwned them too, ODing advies with JEPP, and soldiers with JCGPP, even agents/shades. Engineers PWN if ya know what your doing /tell Nukemeh for help ;)

If you OD JEPP and JPGPP advies/soldiers with 2 of these at 127 (advies/soldiers being similar level) , without including your slayer's damage, then those are some seriously gimp advies/soldiers.

my lvl 60 soli dual with a JCGPP can solo azze (tms 4tw :p) he have t1 + some pred armor (opifex) and make 5k FA dmg on azze :x 500burst and 200 fs :( but he can alpha some in pvp :P

Drop rate is high. 2 cdr in 2 kills and the spawn time of director is fast.

Msauss @ 2006-02-28 12:18
This pistol is also good for docs...my lvl 39 doc already can get the gun on with wrangle+ riot control...and she still has ql 50 imps!
Wow....pls tell me how you did this...a gun with lvl req of 41 on a lvl 39...amazing :)

For ADV there is the added benefit with the JSPP/JEPP + CDR combo... its called the bracer of recondrite flames. That's easy to get on with a single mocham about the same time as you can twink on a JEPP (without ofab/ai armors). The benefit is +23 fire dmg and the change dmg type means u can just use a fire saba and jobe clusters, ring of elements for simplicity as opposed to trying to pump up fire and energy dmg types.

got this at lvl 41 easy i realy pwn dyna's:D

Msauss read closer: "my lvl 39 doc already CAN get the gun on with" :)

lot less camped these days. prolly b/c of alium/LE weaps. still these are damn decent weaps for pistol using totw/tl3 pvp twinks as well as a good secondary for high level toons.

Heptagram @ 2006-05-17 05:43

Im using this plus a home defender, as a trader. Works very well.

Hmm I need to know the burst skill necessary to reach speed cap, in order to figure out what to implant :o

for anyone else who needs to know this, i beleive this is correct:

Endemicx @ 2005-10-29 06:29

with this little fella, you hit the hardcap of 9s burst at 1000. to my surprise, that makes our little ql80 gun a quite suitable offhand from 200-210 =)

Anybody know the droprate out off notum soldier?

Vinyaya @ 2006-11-17 19:52
If you OD JEPP and JPGPP advies/soldiers with 2 of these at 127 (advies/soldiers being similar level) , without including your slayer's damage, then those are some seriously gimp advies/soldiers.

well on my advie i tried kyr+jepp at 150 i cap fa once in a blue moon, but on aliens fire dmg rocks so using 2x cdr is overall better, if you don't believe me pls try it urself i already have :p on hecks tho if you really wanna go for dd i would suggest using some cc, fire aruls and fire dmg rings, for min dmg on hecks and other sl mobs etc but on aliums these do own they make ql 200+ kyr pistols look pathetic.

It's a great weapon in the offhand for a pistol engy. Have something like an untyped Kyr in the right hand, or Engie pistol if you don't visit SL much, CDR in the left from TL3/whenever you can get it on (custom wrist imps will do it and those will be of more use with MR/fling/burst/pistol/RS/NR > Control wrist symbiants if you want pistols with specials). Even though it looks like it'll become useless rubbish by the time you hit TL4, stick with it. That lack of an MBS is truly wonderous and when you have to cut back on burst/fling during TLs3-4, a bit of IP into pistol only will help to keep it useful enough.

When you hit TL5 with the spare IP it brings, and find you can max out Burst and Fling, watch that 10-9sec burst recycle for 1-1.5k a pop (even in SL) really shine coupled with 10sec fling and 1/1 being feasible at nearly full def without so much as a single point in Ranged Init.

<3

Most overrated weapon ingame.

Level 115 crat, with 700 pistol, no dmg bonus at all, 212 minimum dmg, 750~ crits...it was very good at level 42!

yep, overrated, slow burst and fling.
Good at level 41 and for froobs but but there are other options which can dish out just as much or more dmg.

anyone know if the notum soldier still drops this?

slow burst are you out of your mind? show me a pistol like this with 2 specials and faster burst

Slow Burst/Fling MY ASS! So damn pwnage wep at lowbies and reasonable offhand wep for bigger levels

@donger
If you hit for 600 damage at level 206 with an advy, you are seriously gimped. I would be happy with 600 damage on a level 75 advy, and thats only if I didnt have chiropteras. If there is no way for a pistol advy to hit more than 600 damage at level 206, then pistols must be the worst weapons in teh game, because an advy at level 60 with a chiroptera hits over 1000 90% of the time. The only time I would consider this weapon would be a low level twink. Other than that, there are much better alternatives for advys, and for engies, youve got a bot, you dont need weapons....

@pyroathiest

lol look at the post date --> 2005

Back then quite a few people still used it post 200 in SL. So calling him a gimp is pointless and you can't compare SL dam to RK dam. Take a chirop to Ado+ and it will suck big time :P.

"and for engies, youve got a bot, you dont need weapons...."
Riiight :p

ya engs can manage nicely w/o any bots BUT extra dmg is always nice and it's pretty cool to solo dynas with a bot that keeps agg and you shooting from far away :D

I use it still as my offhand on my 113 engi. Its only redeeming feature is Burst, which does hit for 200-600, but on normal hits its not as strong as my QL155 Machinist pistol (75% OE even). But still, the fast special cycles have saved me a couple times, unleash 600-1.2k dmg in 1second from 2 specials and a shot from the engi pistol simultaneously. I'm gonna try dualling these on my doc and see how they work. I'l be replacing the SOL Med lasers

Well, i managed to take down the Director with a Lesser Warbot. I first killed the 2 guards outside the Dir's room, then went inside, and hid behind the first, right collumn. From then, i sent my bot in to attack, and only came out of my cover to spam bot heals (Remake Casting).

Anyways, after seeing a lvl 60 advy in totw hitting something like 450-800 w/ this gun dualed, i'm impressed enough to have this be my doc's first and only DD wep.

my 49 froob pistol soldier duals these. rocks in BS and holds his own at towers (except against traders ofc ;P ) ...once again, tms 4tw.

Anyone know if this would be good for a 100 doc? If not, what other weaps could I use 100 and after?

It's good for a 100 doc, but depending on what else you have access to, so are kyr hammers or a JAME.

How is the drop rate for Notum soldier and what you need to take him out?

People forget about the proc aswell. Even though its 5% chance it procs often. So thats like another special right there.

My doc is 150 atm and still uses one of these :P I can get 1k crits/flings out of it and it works pretty well, dual wielding it with a Parasitic Hecataleech (drops from IS). Parasitic Hecataleech works fine (so does CDR) until 151 when you should definitely get Special edition Kyr Pistols (require AI)

@taipan, I've been asking on OOC but no one has a clue. I farmed Notum Soldier 3 times so far and no drop. Can't really guage from that but hopefully someone has a better percentage.

also has a .1% chance of dropping from gaurds :P good until 150 then use Is weapons