uber

Finally a 2hb stopgap between Icebreaker and Howlets

very very good doc 20-70 lvl wep.. couse of +20 nano..will replace a lot of nano probs..
owns on low lvl pvp tho

this is basically a 2hb stygian desolator with significantly lower requirements.

in other words, awesome.

Very powerful weapon, and also overpowered. Requirements should be higher

Not overpowered at all

Ubah for 2hb enfo, no need for nano stims, almost endless mongo :)

i've dueled 2 enforcers with this weapon... both were stopped prematurely. both would have taken me out in 3 hits.

lvl 23 enfo w/NNB
vs.
lvl 23 doc w/Starter pistol
= Chaos

This weapon is very very good in PvM, on pretty much any proffesion you want. The nanodrain makes it pwn, cause on an enfo, you can spam absorbs, mongo, challenger etc. On a doc, you can spam heals, and so on. However, in PvP, its still a good weapon, but can be easily od by any SL weapon, like peren beamers/blasters and tiig beaters.

Uber!!! saw a guy level 15 with this, he owns!!! Uber!!!

Adoni @ 2008-09-26 15:04
Not overpowered at all

-.- it really is

i dont think its gonna OD a tiig beater pyro

"this is basically a 2hb stygian desolator"

Took the words right out of my mouth. It's also easier to get since SoM isn't level locked.

http://www.ao-universe.com/main.php?site=knowledge&link=0&id=383

imsobored121 @ 2009-01-03 17:11
i dont think its gonna OD a tiig beater pyro

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This is your second reply i've seen you make that you haven't read the whole post...
Pyro said it can easy be ODed by any SL weapon, not that it will OD them.

Very good weapon for a low lvl twink, or even for leveling, that's mmake me feel i will roll a 2hb enfo soon...

I got 24 enf with 75 imps, and its at 100% selfed (im using headcracker) u can figure out how to cast it at that lvl.
And yes, this weapon rocks, but not against ranged profs, but im still winnign all duels :D

My lvl 24 enfo has mostly 72ish imps, with a 99 right arm. easy to leep 100%. Awsome damage, decent speed. goes good in duels, docs worst enemy =P
IMO best weap for froob low lvl twink.
Currently making a nano doc with this, 75% will still do awsome damage. and so much nano XD

this is the perfect lvling weapon you can lvl from 24-70 in no time

This VS Styg. Styg looks cooler but this hits WAY better.

Seen a level 15 enfo dominate with this weapon. >.>

think im gonna remake my energy scythe subway doc, and maybe a subway mp with this.. very nice stuff.

have that on my lvl 15 enfo, ubah in pvp and pvm (mongo forever :) setup my enfo http://auno.org/ao/equip.php?saveid=136846

all i can say, is OP, nerf please..

How about instead of nerfing the noobrod, add in some good unique QL50ish weps for other professions. Being a lowbie froob really sucks for a lot of professions--maybe more people would stick around if they had good tools that make you feel like you're getting somewhere.

Plus it'd give more incentive to visit statics beyond the boring old subs->totw->borgs grind (or kite hecks -> 150 in a week if youre a hecknoob).

well if u pay for the game u wouldnt have to worry about sucky weps :)!!

Wow penso, how did you manage to get a ql200 R-wrist implant on your L15 enfo. =P

@briandmg

game hasn't been the same since research :/

Taking level lock off of Customized IMI Desert Reet would be a nice start to improving weapon options for lowbie toons :(

@pyr

i pwned someone who had a ql 60-100 beamer.

this weap is EPIC for lvl 15-60 pvp so easy to get on too.


~Tazer1 subway twink (neleb pwns in there!)

I was on (RK2) a 10-30 battlestation recently. Just about everyone there had a neleb's rod :)
trader, GA fixer, enf, doc
the list goes on... Only 2-3 people without a nelebs.. One had a styg, one had some sort of perennium weapon, and the last one was wearing an ofab shark mk6
Nelebs usually won.

at lvl 15-30 pure pwning

nice wep.. but im sick of it.. almost every lowbie mele pvp-er has it.. i mean like almost every O_o
nerf this, encourage some originality. I'd like to see some new lowbie weps, but right now its like "oh im level 15.. well time to head to SoM"

still have to find any neleb's rod profs that can beat my 30 MP

@killergoa that may be true for you, but for the rest that doesnt have a killer setup and are under level 25.. it sorta sux.. lol, im considering going neleb now cuz there's no point dueling other low levels without it

Well, tbh, Stygian is better - more damage, easy to swap with a Frost Scythe, better for IP. I'm talking from the Enforcer's perspective. My level 30 froob enfo has yet to be beaten by a neleb's froob enfo. Let's just put it THAT way.

Would be better to raise the 2hb req on this to 401 imo

Also, no proc on this. 15/sec aint bad, for Stygian.

The "proc" on this could arguably be the 20 (or is it 40? bugged at some point...) nano drain on hit.

For lowbie PvPers, some alternatives would be: Perennium Beamer/Blaster/Sniper (if you are fix/sold/agent and have Shadowlands), The Mortiig Beamer/Blaster/Beater (again, requires fix/sold/enfo + Shadowlands). These weapons would all provide better specials than the Nelebs, but at the cost of a nano drain and higher skills to equip.
For froobs, Stygian Desolator (2 handed edged) or Frost scythe of the Legionnaire (Damage is not affected by armor!) would compare to this weapon.When dual-wielded, Frozen Tear of Uklesh is able to outdamage Neleb's rod due to the ~400 point nuke it procs. ANY profession can viably be twinked with OFAB weaponry, but those are generally weak at the low levels (15-40) this weapon will be used. For ranged professions, Neutrino Flash is quite effective; I have personally seen a level 30 twink equipped with a Neutrino Flash that decimated a Neleb's twink.
Anyway, hope this was useful, just trying to provide alternative weapon choices for those sick of seeing Neleb's rod everywhere they go. Good luck, and remember that virtually any weapon will work if your character has the proper setup.

Oops, forgot to mention: in case you don't know about OFAB already, it does require Lost Eden to use.

Neleb's Rod twinks are basically disadvantaged when it comes to ACs and nano skills, for the most part. Frost scythe, with inits, can OD any other weapon with good AR/Inits (300 per hit in PvP at 1/1) and the Stygian is better for IP, as I said. The proc is additional damage. I'll not argue that the Neleb doesn't have it uses - it's a support trox's wet dream.

Sadly this weapon received a nerf with 18.7... it now has a 3.5s attack speed and only steals 5 nano per hit instead of 20. Aside from that, as far as I know, it remains unchanged.

lol "sadly"... pff its about time. by the way, the proc used to steal 40 per hit, 20 per swing, so now it steals 10 per hit and 5 per swing. (even if you miss, the proc still fires at half-effectiveness)

also, you're mistaken, the new speed of this weapon is 1.5/3.0, which means that with some inits, the difference will hardly be noticeable.

my only complaint about this weapon is that the damage range and speed is almost identical to stygian. the nano drain was never a serious issue, it actually gave doctors some serious viability in dueling. a damage nerf wouldnt change that for doctors but it would certainly give an incentive for players to look for some other weapon for their enforcer/trader twinks if they want pure damage.

If i were fc id give back some of the nano drain while adding .5 seconds to the recharge speed, and 10 damage off the top. example:

Equip time 0.7s
Attack time 1.5s
Recharge time 3.5s
Range 4 m
Damage 65-320 (30) - Melee AC

On Hit Target Hit Current nano -12 .. -12
User Hit Current nano 12 .. 12

recharge speed doesnt effect fast attack and is easier to alleviate with inits, so its a modest nerf but sizeable enough to make an impact when players are deciding on their weapon choice (of which there are plenty).