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Wyoh
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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 16:31
I'm currently wracking my brains trying to figure out how to get a Permafrost on my froob doc.. Currently he's lvl190 and dualing pistols but intend to do a skill reset as soon as i can and change to melee. I know everyone raves about Gelids but I wanted to be different (hence why my doc currently duals a K-94 Crimson Monster and a Master Engineer Pistol).

Had intended to go with an FBR but fate smiled on me yesterday and I was able to obtain a Permafrost. However after doing alot of scribbling on paper and consulting Auno's most excelent Item Database I've come to the conclusion that it just isn't possible. I'm pretty sure that I could get an FBR on now and the Fast Attack skill for the Permafrost is also possible, but the 2HE is givin me nightmares.

So I'm callin out for help. See if anyone has any ideas or can spot any errors in my calculations. My Doc is solitus which gives him a base skill of 572 2HE at lvl190.

QL225 Implants = 228 2HE
OTAF Sleeves x2 = 14 2HE
Behe, Prod Strength, Stam & Strength Expertise = 15 2HE
2HE Expertise = 20 2HE
Strength & Stamina Implants = 10 2HE
Wrangle = 132 2HE
QL 200 Nova Dillon Head, Body, & Boots = 4 2HE

Total = 995 2HE

Then hot swapping the following.

150 Long Slank = 25 2HE
200 Jobe-Made Bladestaff = 50 2HE

Giving a final total with the Bladestaff of 1045 2HE

Permafrost requires 1089 2HE
Frost Bound Reaper 1040 2HE

As for the Fast Attack requirements of the Permafrost:

Solitus base skill @ lvl 190 = 625 FA
QL 225 Implants = 228 FA
Bloodshed Armband = 3 FA
OTAF Gloves = 10 FA
FA Expertise = 20 FA
Feline Grace, Enhanced Senses, Agility & Sense Boost = 8 FA
Sense & Agility Implants = 10 FA

Gives a final total of 904 FA

The Permafrost requires 893 FA

Going from this the Permafrost is only going to be possible to equip at lvl 200 when i can use ql 230 Implants and have an additional 40 points in 2HE but I'd really like for somone to prove me wrong on this so please if you have any Ideas or suggestions I'd love to hear from you. Meantime I guess I'll put on the FBR.

Leave your comments/suggestions here or give Docfixit or Wyoh a shout on RK2
Vladja
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 09:18
You've done some nice research there, and I'm not sure if it possible to do it at 190... but there are a few things to improve on maybe.

Instead of two OTAF sleeves you could replace one with a Right Sleeves of the Pest. It adds 2 more 2HE.
On your back you could wear a Omni-Armed Forces Assault pack which adds 1 to both Fast attack and 2HE.
On my 183 froob solitus doc I can wear 230 implants as is, it might save you a few points.
Wearing a The Dantian Belt of Life[/ul] and [url=http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=246833]Grasping Ring gives you 5 extra stamina and strength for a little trickledown. On your free finger you could wear a +5 strength filligree ring.

Also, even though a trader has to have shadowlands expansionpack to cast an umbral, froobs can receive it too. At level 195 this would give you a 146(?) instead of 132 boost.

Good luck on getting your weapon on! :)
Vladja
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 09:19
gah my coding sucks... some of the links won't work now, but you can figure it out still I'm sure ;-)
Afireinside
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 09:45
Hammered Gold Ring for +3 2HE and FA

http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=163701

If your side has Tara atm go there and try to get Smelly Butcher Gloves for +14 2HE

http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=158844

And if you don't mind grinding tokens again, you can also go for a Captain of Tir Ring for +4 STR/STA

http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=168416
Afireinside
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 09:49
And just to give more details to Vladja's suggestion:

If you get to lvl 195 you can recieve +146 2HE if you find a Trader with Distill Life 10 perked, who can cast Umbral Wrangler (Exceptional) for you.
Vladja
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 17:35
Captain of Tir ring is for clanners only, and with using OTAF armour I assumed the doc was an omni character. Smelly Butchers gloves sure would help... I didn't think of them because the Atlantean Omni raidbot doesn't allow froobs in :(
Wyoh
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Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 18:33
Thankyou for your excellent help and suggestions. I'm going to wait until lvl 195 and give it a shot then. I hope with umbral and the maximum quality implants I can squeeze into I will be able to get it on. It's gonna be 75% when equipped but I still think it is going to be better than the FBR given the fast recharge on FA and the FBR's horrible -1000 initiate debuff. The gloves from Tara would be awesome but I doubt very much that I'm going to be able to obtain a pair.

By level 195 I will have gained 20 2HE raising the total to 1065 with an aditional 14 2HE from the Umbral and 1 from the Assault Pack (thx guys I'd forgotten about that) I will have 1080. This will leave me 9 points to find. In my calculations I kinda picked ql 225 implants out of the air because I knew that they were possible to do ... if you've managed 230 at 184 I should be able to match the QL or better giving me an extra 4 points 2HE. As for those elusive 5 points I'm hopeing that I'm going to be able to make them up by using refined implants for my abilities and your other excellent suggestions..

Thankyou again. My doc is 191 now and I'm going to be playin like crazy to get him to 195 asap .... soon as he gets there i'll give it a shot and will advise you how I get on.

Just as an aside, given that its going to be 75% OE when equipped do you feel I will be better off going back to QL 200 Implants with AAD clusters when it's on or keeping the refined ones in?

Regards

Wyoh
Wyoh
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 01:09
WOOT .... Huge THANKYOU, hugs kisses and all that stuff to Danielka and the rest of the Pain Dealers for a great HI raid ... I won a Hammered Gold Ring which puts the Permafrost in my "sweaty little mitts" for sure at lvl 195. /me does a little dance with glee!!!!
Afireinside
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 09:45
  Vladja wrote at 2007-03-14 17:35:

Captain of Tir ring is for clanners only, and with using OTAF armour I assumed the doc was an omni character. Smelly Butchers gloves sure would help... I didn't think of them because the Atlantean Omni raidbot doesn't allow froobs in :(

And I wrote "If you don't mind grinding tokens again" :P

As he is <200, he can still use the appli form, get the ring and switch back after some days of IG-time ;)
Afireinside
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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 09:45
  Wyoh wrote at 2007-03-15 01:09:

WOOT .... Huge THANKYOU, hugs kisses and all that stuff to Danielka and the rest of the Pain Dealers for a great HI raid ... I won a Hammered Gold Ring which puts the Permafrost in my "sweaty little mitts" for sure at lvl 195. /me does a little dance with glee!!!!

Congratulations, post screens when it's done :D
Wyoh
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 04:12
Well Docfixit has, after a few days locked in the Inner Sanctum, reached level 195. I did a full skill reset and currently just have a few old ability implants in him. I'm expecting the final treatment value to be around 1330 once I put in a QL 227 Treatment/FastAttack right hand implant, which will give me a 1-2 QL tollerance should the 2HE implants I'm making increase in quality.

Thanks to Anarch3 he is also wearing a Dantian Belt of Life for those extra few points of stamina.

His abilities are adequate for the critical QL 230 2HE right and left arms and waist implants. I'm waiting for the empty waist and arms from a friend as I cannot currently roll level 230 missions on my agent. - Thankyou for your help Flamebrand.

Meantime I'm putting together a set of QL 225-227 ability implants for the chest, leg and feet to ensure I have the maximum trickle-down possible into 2HE and FA.

However the needs of life on RK4 sometimes take priority over what we would prefer to be doing (as I type this from work!) and so I'm going to have to wait until the weekend to get the rest of the implants made and the Permafrost on.

Once again I'd like to thank Harlieq, Ebagmp and Fusskiller for getting the Doc his very sexy OTAF tank armour and boots. As soon as I'm finished twinking him I'll be hassling you again to help me to finish off the set. (Meantime he's padding out the "gimp" look with a few peices of lifeguard).

Regards

Wyoh
Wyoh
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 11:44
Well it's on ... managed it with 1 point of 2he to spare... now to make new imps and get dressed before i can try it out properly
Wyoh
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:46
Well what can I say... the Permafrost performs well, it's fast, the damage is consistently good even at 75% OE but I happened to team with a trader and fixer in the Inner Sanctum and with a wrangle running the damage jumped from good to (for a froob doc mind) pretty damn awesome. So out came the paper and pen again and I spent a few hours trying to figure how to get it out of OE without gimping my healing ability.

I think it's possible provided i can make up for the Bio Met I'm going to loose from replacing the faded waist cluster with 2he... I'm not entirely sure how much losing the AAD clusters from the arms will hurt me but I think it's a risk I'm prepared to take keeping in mind the increase in damage it will provide. I went back to QL 200 arms after I got the Permafrost on as I was convinced at the time that I couldn't make up the Bio Met.

I have 810 2HE currently, the Permafrost requires 872 2HE to get it out of OE. Putting in QL 230 implants to waist and arms will give me an additional 64 2HE a total of 874.

I'm going to be losing 46 Bio Met from the waist, admittedly I do not need all this, currently I have 878, my target is 865 (the requirement to cast Deathless Blessing). This will leave me with 832, which means I need to find an additional 33 points in Bio Met.

Fancy Stethascopic Glasses 12
OTAF Pants 10
3rd Circle of the Inner Sanctum 5
Ring of Presence 4

Total 31

In addition I'm currently wearing a QL 206 head implant which gives 108 Bio Met ( the last implant to go in and I just grabbed what I had at the time), If my mind serves me correctly I had 1130 treatment when that went in which means i could get a QL 213 implant in there giving me the 2 Bio Met I need.

Although I'm loathe to do it I think I'm going to strip him and go for it ..... well maybe after I ding 196 ... after all I still need to get the damn OTAF pants and getting help from the Org is like pulling teeth sometimes.

If anyone wants to lend a hand pls gimme a shout :)

Regards

Wyoh
Wyoh
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 00:49
There again why wait ...... it's done .... the Permafrost is out of OE and performs beautifully, rarely hits for less than 1k with crits reaching as much as 1900+, Without having to implant any initiate I'm swinging it at 1.2/1. I happened to check sentinels in Wailing Wastes and there was Smug lyin on the ground, on his corpse was a pair of pants, slipped them on and now i can cast deathless blessing again.

Gonna draw a line underneath this little project now. It's been a long, hard job but finally it's over and to be honest I'm extreemly pleased with the results. So if your making a Doc and all you can think of is gelids or shottie... think again. In my humble opinion 2he is also a very viable option.

Regards

Wyoh
Gridpain
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 14:06
Congratulation for this achievement !
wintypes
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 13:59
I'm late, but grats for the hawt twinking! This proofs that frubis still can perform really really well ^^
Wyoh
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Posted: Mon May 05, 2008 00:53
Bump ... I'd lost this post
SnickerHole
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 22:54
Didn't see if anyone suggested this, but Silken Legchoppers? They add 40 to 2he I believe ^^
Gurudee
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Posted: Thu May 29, 2008 02:11
  SnickerHole wrote at 2008-05-28 22:54:

Didn't see if anyone suggested this, but Silken Legchoppers? They add 40 to 2he I believe ^^

Thats was because he posted...
"Solitus base skill @ lvl 190 = 625 FA "
...and Silkens are Trox only :)
SnickerHole
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 20:57
:O oops : /

Now I feels like a Nub =(
Wyoh
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Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 07:05
Well time has moved on and my doc is still lovely ... however with the addition of an Escaped Prisoner Robe (Cloak of the Reanimated Gadiator) and the avalability of nice cheap freddy str/stam sleeves his Permafrost is now out of oe unbuffed!! (2he expertise & IC)

Hey ok it's not much ... but it's till nice to know, one less thing to worry about.

My next mission ... far more impossible .. watch this space
AKrulz
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 16:19
heh i know its too late for this m8 but add miy's tank gloves for more 2he ;)
Wyoh
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 07:29
I have done as you recommend and made a few other changes as you can see in the profile on Auno http://auno.org/ao/equip.php?saveid=60732 ... now not only is the permafrost out of oe unbuffed, but with the addition of a pair of Lya's glasses, Miy's Nano pants and a couple of augmented OT Rings the doc can now UBT too without the need for OSB's.
Gridpain
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Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:47
very nice :)

but dont you have too much BM with this setup ?

I use http://auno.org/ao/equip.php?saveid=107861 with PM in head and eye, and I self (with 2 QL 75 towers and some contracts) CH / A&O / top team heal / UBT / top DOTs / top single HP (and EP :) ).

only stuff i dont self is team HP and HOT and high Vaccine ...
Wyoh
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:37
  Gridpain wrote at 2008-11-04 12:47:

very nice :)

but dont you have too much BM with this setup ?

I use http://auno.org/ao/equip.php?saveid=107861 with PM in head and eye, and I self (with 2 QL 75 towers and some contracts) CH / A&O / top team heal / UBT / top DOTs / top single HP (and EP :) ).

only stuff i dont self is team HP and HOT and high Vaccine ...

No not really, 865 Bio Met is required to cast Deathless Blessing, curent setup gives 864 unbuffed with the skill maxed (my personal preference, but the ability to self-cast the top HoT was my primary concern with UBT coming in second). Currently nanoskills are:

MM 869, BM 864, PM 849, MC 699, TS 809, SI 551 (unbuffed)

If anything he's MM heavy, I could easily afford to change the chest implant to psychic giving 800 MM unbuffed which is still more than sufficent to cast all the RK nano's and the trickledown would push BM skill well past the need for expertise to cast Deathless Blessing. Also the faded eye cluster could now be changed to MC so he can cast better DoT's and Short Term Health Boost, but I'm to busy playing my new trader to rip him apart and start reimplanting.
Gridpain
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Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 17:51
weird,

I cast top team heal : 874 in BM, with BM implanted in bright and faded.

BUT :

I need BM expertise , intel boost, 2 fractured nightmare (for NR, but with the +4 Int / psy) AND a +10 BM / MM tower + a +5 or +6 BM contract. and got INT in faded ear.

then again, I m TL5 capped, and my trusty Skillemulator gives me 719 instead of 677 in BM for lvl 200 solitus instead of lvl 172 NM : 42 point difference.

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