Is this nuke really as useless as it appears?

Unfortunatly yes

Mmmh, forgive my lack of knowledge, but why is this useless? 8907 damage seems pretty much to me...

Simply because you could cast one of the QL180+ 3-4 second nukes 5 times and do 12380 dmg by the time Izgimmer's Last Word is executed. Which pretty much means it's just far too slow to be worth using.

Well, the only thing I could think of which you would use this instead of a faster low ql one is in PvP the person will not run if they do not know they are under attack. You hit someone with a lower ql one and it does not kill them they could run away without you getting a second shot. This one may take a while but if they do not move in the 20 secs they will be dead before they can run. Probably the only scenario where this thing is of any use.

its a good nano to compliment team strikes, while tank is getting agro. It deals a "fair" amount of damage without you drawing attention of the mob.

i just say TARA :p many clanners died this way (rk-3)this way hrhr (get 2 -3 nts casting them together , and all die in once)

OK---First of all I have no nanotech of any lvl but common sense would tell you that this nano would be could for fighting mobs...like so...you begin the cast, so what if it takes 20 seconds that just means that the mob will not aggro you until you have taken a huge chunk of life away form it...then start hittin it with the fast nukes..come on people!!! use your head silly!

I agree that it can work that way, but by the same token the large nano cost *can* seriously hamper the amount of follow up strikes you will be able to give. (just speculation, I also have no NT of any level..yet)

i don t think ILW worth anything, they aren t good, even in pvw, the mob die before you finish to cast it, lol, or for a 200+ mob you do too low dmg, that s not worthy, better to cast IEF, and go ns2
but just a thought... when you cast a "bit long nuke" even if the target is running away and go out of range, you still hitting him anyway, so... for a target who run, you start to cast ILW.. and 10 sec after when he s far away, you achieve him ;d, i never tried it, but it would be funny :)).. anyway Reso Blast is the best (3K 6K dmg, good casting time and recharge)

Err, Where do you get this prog? is it a disc only dropped from boss loot, or a specific unique mob?

This is a nice prog because it is unlike RB in the fact that it is not level restricted ... At lvl 138 I can use it ... if i had it! :)

chaosgyro with your high lvl HE's it wont hender you to bad besides you should have a good pool by the time you can cast this

Yeah, for that NT who is fighting things 50 lvls higher than he is, and is ever so worried about taking aggro and being obliterated in 3 hits... this nuke is for you... hit the mob with small nukes till he is about 1/2-3/4 life, and by the time you get this out, the mob takes a load of damage, and dies... keeping the NT nice and safe, and still doing damage for the team. :)

whats the point of using this in PvP?this wouldnt kill someone with over 9000HP like an enforcer or soldier.would take over 3minutes to kill an atrox enf with this especially if hes got the 17000HP buff.its useless in PvP.its useless in SL 2 because of the mobs having so high NR and radiation AC.

The way it would be useful in PvP is for an inital strike, for example if you are attacking an unsuspecting target. It hast a 6 second recharge if you max inits around level 200. You hit the unsuspecting target for around 2000-3500 (counting in ACs and halved PvP damage) then in a few seconds continue with your normal plan. By the time he figures out what is going on you will have almost recharged for a normal-speed nuke.

think about this =P what if you were to waste 1,079 NanoPool and wait 20 whole seconds just to see the message "Nano program execution failed. You fumbled."?

Use your heads....... It doesn't say capped at 20 seconds, any nt that it takes 20 seconds to cast that is a dipshit O_o and didn't raise inits...

i'm with applesauce. Casting a nuke(with init maxed)that takes only 3 sec and getting that message just plan blows. In pvp it means ure ass.

Well, i would guess a 8 secound or less casttime at this for any good NT.

Prolly no prob making it 3 secound cast either as roguent say's. :)

This is great in a team, when you don't want to take aggro, but want your teammates to think you're doing something - if you start casting this as soon as the mob is pulled, you MAY get to finish it off (with maxed inits, btw) and hit for min damage, impressing your teammates with a whopping 4k damage. Two words - Utterly Useless.

Dont want to take aggro?:)
Target Taunt 15646

Her's an ideea use this nano the first time when the monster isnt attacking u!
Then u can use faster nanos!

i know this was ages ago..... but.... in describtion (and i learn from FC never to trust describtions....) maybe when this nano first came up, it would 'completely descroy the target' If thats what its meant to do, the damage should be something like 20000-80000 now... wishful thinking tho

20000-80000 ROFL, are you crazy? instakill just about any profession that isnt atrox or very high level :P

i think he means that back when this nano came out there wassnt any 50%dmg in pvp or 40% dmg cap....
and few profs could brag about having more than 6-7k Hp at lvl200
SO what do u think would happen to the poor fixer or engie/mp/doc or whatever when hit by this?

To be just as devestating as this nano was back then..not thinking of cast time, ud have to do 20-40k dmg or something.....

This is one of the crappiest nukes ever, don't get it, not only does it take 28 seconds to cast, it is also extremely easy to counter. You have a very small percentage of this nuke not fumbling, not getting countered, and not absorbed.

DON'T GET IT.

It doesn't take 28 seconds to cast you boob, Unless you have absolutly zero in nano init, in which case your a flaming retard, and should be put down.

I M lvl 132 NT and used this on a NPC hmm I dont think its usless I casted it in 7sec with 700nano C.int I would killed that NPC if I had more nano I took 4/5 of his HP so dont tell me this nano is usless I couldnt kill him with any other nano

I don't care how high your nano init is or how far away from the mob you are, 8s is a loooong time to wait to do any more damage. Unless you kill it with the first cast, you are hamburger before you can cast anything else. I have inits max but they do nothing for recast time. Tried to use it in a team, and the mob typically goes down in less than 20 seconds. I found I could do much more to help the team by using 3s nukes and being ready to calm adds. Bout the only thing this is good for is Kiting

Nano resist 135 %

Declared useless 5/25

Idk...28sec is alot of time but!!....if NANO INT. maxed out it will be much faster depending on your NANO INT.....Someone please send me a tell in the game i want ot know were i can buy this or get it...if you have it please pm me or leave a comment =] so i can buy =D in my opinion just try it so you actually know if it works or no.

un-nerf this, make it do more damage, land more often, just DO SOMETHING about this nano.

better yet, swap the taunt and damage ;)

Actually trigger, thats not a bad idea ^^

if your nano c int is maxed it wont take 20secs to cast

i say get this nuke, for the plain and simple reason that if you dont get it you will be stuck casting ief (and a few nano eating sl ones) for around 80 lvls. and btw it works fine in pvp, not as if you hit with ief and just stand there till you can cast it again! you hit then run... so what if you have to run for an extra 4 secs...after getting hit by this its usually the other toon that runs

This is a nasty nuke If you pick it up early its pretty good. Add a Nano recompiler it moves much faster and a standard NT ups nano init in a big big way.

This nuke is useful because your roots have a % chance of breaking on every nano attack you use, so you can root/nuke for more damage with this, before the root breaks.

If you get your nano c init to 2000 this nano will cast in a matter of seconds

FC nerf taunt plz oO cast this 4x (if you have the chance) and you taunt more as a doc does with Alpha & Omega >.<

whats the dmg type?? melee? 0.o cant see

if u are a lvl 220 NT ( i dont think u ever use this nano ) ur NanoC. Init is about 2500 or something that means instead of 28 sec this nano can be casted in 20 sec.. 0.o still quiet useless if u think about better use Izgimmin Ultimatum with 2500 Nano init only take 5 sec to cast..

does it make big explosion?

woohooooo maan teh taunt =////

its ok i havw 123 nt he can use its the best for now!

Taunt makes it pointless to use in a team with a tank (like pen bosses or gens with huge hp, or even high ql dynas) as (i think) enf's max taunt is 10k, wheras this does 15k.. = death to nt. REAL usless unless your only killing mobs with less than 9k hp :P Ohh and a side note, 200 nano init is 1 sec on a nano up to 1200 nano init.. then its 1 sec per 400. so 2000 ish nano init will bring this to 19 seconds at full agg, with a 7 sec recharge.

this is funny none of you read the fact that this nano taunts mobs by 15646 and to make things more amusing the recharge time is sucky by the time it recharges your dead already if your pvping, another point to note doesnt anyone take ac's and nano resist into consideration this nano will never kill a high lvl toon in one blast.

Kinda handy when you can first cast it if you root a mob & back off... as someone already said, roots don't always break. Awkward if they do & you're in the hellish recharge :)

Carry, Use, Eat how can u eat it?

As well no matter how much nano initiative you have you will NEVER get the recharge below 8 seconds.....nano ini only reduces the cast time not recharge.

i pvp'd another NT who used this.. kicked his arse with a type 18 kyr carbine and IEF , the fool didnt even land a single nuke on me. piece of worthless junk.

FYI we were levels 155 & 156

This can be used like first strike on mob, or nuke..calm..nuke..till death. I dont see any other use

"Well, the only thing I could think of which you would use this instead of a faster low ql one is in PvP the person will not run if they do not know they are under attack"

Actually in pvp as soon as you start executing a hostile nano on someone, you get tagged and they auto-attack you. Long-executing nanos only work against mobs.

15k Taunt.... Great, a mongo and a half for one of the professions least likely to survive after drawing aggro. Go go FC.

Best way to use it in pvp is to conceal yourself, cast it while concealed, then unleash other nukes after its casted.

go go new auno skin!

cast the NR debuffs before casting this and your golden....well hopefully

got this for free at 195. uploaded, used once, deleted. Damn thing takes longer than comps.

:D i love it :P its hella fun on lowbie mobs :P

also known as how to piss the enf , part 1

if u ask me uber for the first strike once u try duel lol would be uber

+ i think that boss loot

they should make an improved version of this with shorter cast time and more damage :D

Assuming my "title level 4" MA crits every hit which she almost does now, she'd done 12400 dmg during the 8 sec recharge assuming a attack every 2 sec without brawl damage. Nt's need much more damage imo. And I'm using lower dmg since I'm not adding +dmg mods from symbs in calculation below.

Martial Arts (Martial Artist)
Estimated Damage Range: 490-1653 (3460)

In 30s with a cycle speed of 2s, (1s Attack, 1s Recharge) you would have attacked 15 times. Total damage in 30s would be around 27900 points.

Special attack damage in 30s would be around 4215 points, bringing total damage to around 32115 points.

Your average normal hit would be around 1072 points.
Brawls in 30s would be approx. 3 @ 15s, adding around 1405 points each for 4215 points total.

Results were calculated at 0.67 times normal and 0.33 times critical damage.
ACs reduced your average damage by around points per hit.

I think people fail to see just what type of damage range almost every other proffession is capable of with all the specials and perks, and instead they just whine that nt tripples and nanos are too powerful.

I think I know when I'll use this!
Muhahah

shorter cast much shorter recharge 3x the damage, lower NR check huge nano cost. that would truly be the last word. heck to calculate a new "ULTRA ILW" take beasts HP and divide it by 6 ;)

Remember that this nano has been added to the game ages ago. Even before pvp caps/halved damage.
I'd think alot of ppl died instantly of that nano.

Umm... alot of you 4get a major part of the long attack nano lines... They're great for starting a fight. I.E. - Boss battles which havnt agro'd you, Flagged pvp if your not flagged. They help

Umm... alot of you 4get a major part of the long attack nano lines... They're great for starting a fight. I.E. - Boss battles which havnt agro'd you, Flagged pvp if your not flagged. They help

User Visual profession == Nano-Technician
What a joke...

Drool...

wtb an improved version of last word.

Perhaps a fraction more useful now? Fumbles gone, -NR nukes, ...

Cokeaddict11 @ 2008-05-26 02:20
Umm... alot of you 4get a major part of the long attack nano lines... They're great for starting a fight. I.E. - Boss battles which havnt agro'd you, Flagged pvp if your not flagged. They help

Actually, if you read all the posts you'd see this was pointed out a good half dozen times :p

What was Izgimmer's last word?

"Essalk sad ednif hci!"

Actually, this nano is quite pointless unless by yourself. in a party, it could cause the tank to lose aggro, as it has an ungodly amount of taunt. my advice? if youre going to play a nanotechnician, get expansions. Use SL and LE nukes. this nano sucks imo.

Just got this for my 60 nt... and i love it!

I'm calling bullshit. 1k MC selfbuffed is not possible for an NT, even with mochams it's definitely a longshot. Mochams and a 131, its possible.

Depends on the level of the NT, I know for sure of plenty of NTs with 1k+ MC selfed.

I'm going to guess shiroun was referring to Lackofgravy... 1k MC at level 60 is tough