From the description and QL, I'm assuming it drops from the Crypt of Home in Broken Shores (15.5 patch dungeon). I've yet to encouter this gun, but have encountered the other "similar" weapons in this place. Keepin' ya posted!

Is it supposed to drop from the shadow cenburin(sp?) Ive killed about 30 of these and never seen a new wep drop :(

err make that cenobite shadow not what i put up there :)

i would really love to get ahold of one or two of these if any1 knows where to find it or has one for sale contact cotix on atlantean

Drops from the Crypt.

What excact mob drop this lovely powergun smg?

Cenobite Shadow

do the 100-104s even drop? i have about 10+ of these blinded ones, find em almost every time

i want this, how much is it worth? :)

around 15M

Prices have dropped to around 5-8m in rk2 i think... too many people selling and this is the most common drop of blackbirds. The lower ql ones sell better.

Anyone got ides how to aggro the dang Shadows whit Fixer??? Other than making a Enfo:P

TO aggro cenobites you should use area nanos.. like nukes or mongo. Agents can go into FP NT and use nukes but they have long attak time, so better use em before ceno comes close to you. Fixer can use Cluster bullets, it's possible to use only to target, so pull some mob (don't think it's a problem there :) and hit Cluster bullet on him when targeted mob will be near ceno (don't forget about range). Checked by me. Maybe in some way it's possible to use grenades (lower ql juts to aggro em) hadn't try that

You can also take a pet class along and put the pet on hunt, OR have high perception then no need for any long winded methods :D

Buy some of the POS hedgehog grenades from a store, spam them on nearby enemies while the shadow is in range...eventually you'll get it.

Still not clear whether things like area snares, or wen wens will get them.

U can aggro them as a fixer by using the area burst bullets from the fixer shop. Difficult thing is getting them into the area wen u fire the bullets as u need another mob to target to fire them upon

hehe why do u all think its only fixer wpn ... as soldier i've tried all possible RK wpns ...and none of them ..even booosted hellspinner cannot od dual wielded blackbirds by my soldier ...i really recommend this gun for all soldiers 150 lvl + ..and earlier nophex destroyer II :P

Can someone post the kind of damage it does to elysium hecks and adonis hecks, I want to know what kind of critical/burst it does. The reason being is i was told it Od's Superior Perennium Blaster, CRAZY!

it doesnt od perrenium blaster ..it od's perrenium beamer, i do average 1 k in normal shot every 1 second and about 2-2,5 k in burst everyr 10 sec = UBAH :D

but sometimes even better like 1,5- 1,8 k in normal shot
and 3-4 k in burst

Well, that solves that. I have 2 blinded blackbirds in my inv for my fixer. I was debating raising the multi-ranged and using them it'll I got my hands on a superior beamer.....but I think once I get the bb's on....that's it. No beamer for me. :)

lovely guns huh ;) i knew u will like thme :P

Just swapped my SPBeamer for a pair of those... Still got the beamer in my inv just in case, but 2 of those babies are really sweet - Faster burst cycle, and more damage for normal shots. Only downside is they're a bitch to put on without spending tons and tons of IP on Multi-Ranged.

this sucks on hecks and SL

what perception need to see Cenobites?

Replaced a slow Manex by this !
Pwnage :p

Good soldier weapon most ppl dont use.

and how is a froob sol a bit lower then lvl 150 supposed to put this on? i am atm lvl 144 and my SMG is maxxed to 770 with imps + 20 generic + 131 wrangle = 921 :(

Total Focus is +50 SMG, make sure imps are QL200, I put dual 104 blackbirds on my soldat at 124. Blinded is tricky until mid TL5.

8 second burst recycle is uber...

well.. they are really good guns, but in RK! Because of they low minimum damage, in SL they sux like hell :( critical damage is sucky too.. But yes the burst cicle is very good :) still prefer a SMG :p

Probaly the best smg on RK. Unfortunally it's prof. locked.

is thr anything a froob fixer can use past this...as a froob i dualled this at 125, now i am wonderin whether i have to stick with this all the way to 200..r thr any alternatives?

Kar, this : http://auno.org/ao/dmg.php?id=159034&ql=200&critchance=4&armor=10000&init=1000&aggdef=100&attrate=1000
But it's rare...

Sry for the long post:
Shorter link: http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=159025&ql=200

i do not understand how Manex Catastrophe can be good. Very slow burst, low att raiting cap (almost as low as BBBs, reachable at 175ish lvl), very low minimum dmg. or i am missing something? I'm 145 and very soon will reach BBBs cap:(. Fixers, what can lets say lvl 190 froob use?

The manex use to be good because of the huge damage it could deal, this was before attack rating caps where introduced. The burst recharge is slow but it used to allow lots of 10k bursts and at higher levels could easily be 1/1

Now however, its is rather useless but has alot of sentimental value

if you are doing pvp, take off a blackbird and put on a eye wind one hander shotgun adds fling and aimed shot. for pvm youre pretty much stuck with 2 bbb's. manex imo is poo. also on the whole SPB vs blackbird. 240 syndicate can be equipped fairly easily at lvl 150 making SPB pretty much obsalete. at the level range you have choice of SPB v birds youre kinda hurting for IPs so stackin multiranged up will kill some of your other skills a bit. there are so many more variables to take into consideration then just minimum damage and burst cycle(i.e. misses, crit, mob AC, damage adding items, burst skill, perks trained, reloads, blah blah blah) if you put a level 120 froob with 2 105 BBs againts fixer of same level with SPB both with EXACT same armor and items and stats, the person with SPB will win most likely bc of our long line of attack perks. if both fixers have GA4 then that will be like watching a weaponless doc fight an enforcer.

*3 days later an NT jumps in and nukes both of them*

What perception is required to see cenobite shadows?

AO-Universe says 800 or higher. You can also use AoEs (cluster bullets) to draw them out.

Possible replacement of Bbb.
http://auno.org/ao/dmg.php?id=248588&critchance=4&armor=10000&init=1000&aggdef=100&attrate=1000

if both fixers have GA4 then that will be like watching a weaponless doc fight an enforcer.
funny, my doc hasnt got any weps and enfo's go down in a minute or two :P

mosnami @ 2006-08-11 06:09
Possible replacement of Bbb.
twice as long burst :\

this gun is definatelly a PVP gun, unless your froob then it'll be your best bet, this + 188 One Hander is the best fixer combo for tl4-5 PVP and decent at 6-7 until you get a better machine pistol. for PVM SPB / CSMG is stillthe best bet

if both fixers have GA4 then that will be like watching a weaponless doc fight an enforcer.
guess he didnt consider docs have somethin called DoT's...which could take time but willl eventually kill the enf if the enf is good

Cost on one of these nowadays?

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and how is a froob sol a bit lower then lvl 150 supposed to put this on? i am atm lvl 144 and my SMG is maxxed to 770 with imps + 20 generic + 131 wrangle = 921 :(
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Rofl, do you have ql 10 imps in? My fixer has ~930 smg with ql 130 imps, self buffs and wrangle at lvl 90 or so... You should get 2x ql105 BBBs on at lvl 115-140 if you are froob. 1xQL105 at lvl 115 or so and other ql 102-105.

Jedrox, he is talking about soldiers.

Soldiers have a lower SMG skill than fixers at the same level (or to put it a bit different: Their SMG skill is much lower than their Assault Rifle skill, for example).

Secondly, aside of the Minor Suppressor buff and the expertise soldiers only have Total Focus to buff SMG specifically (should be castable with wrangle, maybe, at 144). This is far from what fixers can do (~40/60 points less).

If you know how to overcome a lack of at least 80 (at 144 more than 100 already), compared to fixers, based on raw skill and buffs only, then fill us with your wisdom.

Anyway, with a hotswap gun and/or buffing armor it should be possible to get at least a Blinded Blackbird on at 144, maybe even two (Multiranged is probably the most tricky thing there).

TL4 alien gun too, very easy to cap burst, just use a lower bbird in the offhand to save MR. You can swap it for a SPB for SL, same specs, just nasty to cap burst on a SPB.

i trying to get them on soldier have given up so many times hmmm i will get em on.....
....one day :(

Primary (green) skills are capped at 442 (with maxed abilities) before level 100. Even QL 200 implants can only provide a maximum of 210 skill. Fixer self buffs are also capped; the one available before level 100 gives 79, plus Expertise 20. Total 751.
Jedrox's feat of having "~930 smg with ql 130 imps, self buffs and wrangle at lvl 90 or so" may have been possible in an AO without level caps, but not in the AO we play in. With symbiants and SL armor buffs, perhaps, but Jedrox was scoffing at a free player.
However, equipping these before 150 is possible for free players, even soldiers. The cap is then 605-610, depending on breed (163-168 higher); the ql200 implants that were pretty improbable at 100 are relatively speaking easy with some Treatment implant 'laddering', for a total of 815-820. Expertise, Total Focus, & a 131 Wrangle make a total of 1016-1021. And that is not even counting the dependencies of SMG: Agility Sense Stamina and Strength. Enforcer 'Essence of' and Agent 'Feline Grace' & 'Enhanced Senses' nanos can add a lot of SMG points, as can non-conflicting implants of those abilities.

I am thinking about using this on my S10 twink instead of Superior Perennium Blaster. But is this really better? No FA, but very short burst recycle...

just incase no ones worked this out yet. to agro the cenobite shadows as a fixer you dont need high perception or cluster bullets. stand of the shadows spawn point -> target self -> cast aoe snare... >.<

Alright, the negatives first... small clip and split attack skill.

Positives, higher damage, higher crit, fast burst, evade buffing, and longer range.

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