does this stack wif agent fg?

no

nice agi buff tho

u cannot fp shade even? >.<

However, shades are rather gimpy until like lvl 190-200. After that, they can even take the tank role due to their hig evades, and thier special perks lands tremendous amounts of damage.

im a 212 keeper.. 202 shade did approx 90% of my damage, nerf shade damage !

The only thing a shade can do is pure damage, keepers have heal auras so if they were to nerf shades then might as well nerf keeper auras and nerf every other professions soul porpose!!!!

Based on the comment made by Stehn on 12-05-2005, since I am getting the add-ons tomorrow so forgive me if I sound like a n00b, but ain't Martial Arts the best DD's?

No, shades are. Take a MA, add 50% normal damage, then add a TON of damage perks... Number 1 damage dealer.

Engineers, soldiers and adventurers easily outdamage MAs, among others

shade have very nice nanos I'd like to play with shade

play "with" shade's, or play as a shade. Because i must admit that a female shade in tier1 armor is hawt ! ;p

lol @ silver_rk2's post adventurers cant OD a MA if they werent aprox 50 levels higher...and soldiers only got theyr FA and we OD them in a longer period of time...dont underestimate the powers od the martial artisits

Silver_RK2 @ 2005-09-09 16:54
Engineers, soldiers and adventurers easily outdamage MAs, among others

What are you smoking? Im a ma, if you can find ANY of these classes who can od me ill give you 10 million credits. Advs have the crummiest damage output there is except when they first get chiros. Ma's and shades are the highest DD's, but ma's trade a bit of damage dealing for heals, thats all. Still seccond best.

Depends on setup, Engineers can be very good DD's, my 189 eng was OD'n 200 soldiers, and keeping up with a 205 adv

Moniker @ 2005-10-16 22:49
Advs have the crummiest damage output

Hmm, no. They actually have one of the higher damage outputs in the game, end-game that is. Dualwielding two QL 300 Kyro axes is quite lethal. Not to mention quick :) you might want to make 10 mil available for the next meelee adv you meet.

ugh...shades are one of the best damage dealers yes...but agents even though there also squisy pwn most classes pre-220 and even after. nuff said.

nuff said my ass :P
agents just use advys perc buffs to get on their ql 200 psnipers at level 80+, if a sol could get a ql 200 pblaster on at that level i would be willing to bet the sol could OD the agent, and if you dont think shades are the best DDs, youve obviously never seen a 210+ shade in action, a level 205 one alone can do 13k damage with backstab alone, then try getting about 1.5k per hit and 4k per crit, also attacking very fast, true, normaly hits i might have to guess MAs do more damage with crits, but they cant do 13k+ damage with a single attack, you agents are too far stuck up the barrels of your psnipers at level 80+ to recognise any other output of damage

Denkan @ 2005-09-23 12:39
"...and soldiers only got theyr FA and we OD them in a longer period of time..."

sry but thats not as easy as that, soldiers have about 10 perkattacks and 3 spezialattacks (Aimed shot, Burst, Fullauto)

In higher levels Soldier can equipp Spb in a fight, so they make a AS and than they equipp Spb make Fullauto, Burst, Perkattacks...

and the reason i quote... Fa is caped at 11sec recharge so you wont OD Soldiers that easy in a longer period of time

So dont underestimate soldiers

4n7H0r, that is very true, i think shibbi fails to notice that most mobs that you should be teaming at 70ish+ have more than 10k hp, not sure on the amounts, havnt played a level 70 in a while..

i agree with moniker MAs best DDs other than shade

Actually, verified several times at high lvl raids (i'm 212 MA atm), Best DD are shades, then keepers (nerf keepers!), then MA/advies/mebbeh good sodiers. Dont forget too that it can be very difficult to land perks on some mobs (some AI gens, mercs) or in pvp against evade profs (basically MA/shades/advies/keepers in full scout ^^ nerf keepers)...

well i havent ever been on a team or seen a high level shade fight but after looking at perks there is not doubt in my mind shades are best DD. one of their main perk attack does 8k-17k dmg alone. thats a alpha attack if it hits for max in pvp.

13K sneak attack, 13K backstab, 4K fast attack, 13K dimach, and perks no one can match...

meh. i previously leveled shade to 100 to prove agents are betta....pwned in dmg department...nerf. neways i say that because shades are rare....and in most party situations agent is still main DD without a sol because of 10sec AS recharge with SPS....so yea. shades pwn agents.

actually you know what i take my previous post back..and btw metroid have you ever played an agent?....betting you havent because assaissanate together with AS can do as much as 24k dmg. but you wouldnt know that would you?

you made a level 100 shade? grats. try a 220 agent vs a 220 shade and see who comes out on top in the damage department.

heh Shades ARE the best DD in the game. Nothing left to discuss. PvM Agents can only get off one AS before they're "detected" by the mob. Anything more than the one AS in one fight Funcom has declared as an "exploit". With that being said...a 220 agent vs a 220 shade in PvM.. and if the agent doesn't use the AS "exploit", the Shade will win each and every time. Even if the agent did use the AS "exploit", the shade would still win. This has been tested MANY times.

edit: "Anything more than the one AS in one fight Funcom has declared as an "exploit"." <-- in PvM

The AS Max cap is 15k just like FA no 24k.

well AS max dmg cap is 13k not 15k :) and i'm pretty sure Shibbi didn't mean that the AS can do 24k but AS together with the perk called Assassinate.

Lower @ 2006-01-18 05:11
The AS Max cap is 15k just like FA no 24k

I'm pretty sure FA is capped at 15k dmg? o.0

shades are highest dd in game, there is really no discussion about it. endgame they will out damage any profession. as far as i am concerned the AS recharge time needs to be either raised to match sneak attack, or both should be taken to 15s. they are basically mirror attacks, AS is a ranged verson of SA and visa versa.

what about Widowmaker Battle Drone + Military-Grade Marauder M-45? no one ever said how much dmg those do, they could od shades and agents :P

After playing my shade for a while I can tell you why people don't think they're the best DD. Shade perks all carry nice taunts. And that means very soon you have a shade tank. And shade tanks don't last long. Then you get people going OMG gimp u r teh suxors roffle u died in lke 2 hits omg lol ma better thnna u!

One question .... Why are yoou talking bout Best DD class when this is sapposed to be about the Nano crystal ... we all know Sahdes are best DD in game... and MAs ADvents Soilders and Agents Follow quiite close behind in DD.. soo drop it and talk bout the nano... I love this nano ^^

One day in pande there was the biggest epeen DD match I ever saw. Anywhere. Number 1 dd was tonysaleri (might be slightly mispelled) 220 adv. And as for the APF where there's big incentive for DD, my 214 adv comes out in the top 5 everytime, and at 220 there will be no one close.

lol yeah, advys may be far too overpowered and for noobs who like godmode cheats in games but shades are THE DDers

12lettername @ 2006-03-17 11:27
After playing my shade for a while I can tell you why people don't think they're the best DD. Shade perks all carry nice taunts. And that means very soon you have a shade tank. And shade tanks don't last long. Then you get people going OMG gimp u r teh suxors roffle u died in lke 2 hits omg lol ma better thnna u!


How long did you play the shade? To what level?

Because my opi shade (level138 now) has been successfully tanking hecklers and alien mobs/generals/admirals since level 107 when I equipped the weapons I'm using. I've only been killed by aliens 3 times with ai level 7. As for hecklers, even a gimp advy can heal me well enough for me to tank those. Tanking as a shade is very easy actually if you know how to handle your IP and how to use your agg/deff bar.

Also I've seen the results of a damage dumper from a team attacking LOTV with a 217 shade and a 219 advy in the team and the advy was the #3 DD, shade was #1. Agent was #2 DD, but not by much, the advy was very close in dmg to the agent. So sorry to disappoint you, but Shades EASILY OD advy in PVM.

Are ya sure ma and shades are the best dd? Ask a enfo lvl 220 with mantis queen sword to hit you and you will see your life gets to in 3sec even if you are shade or ma or if you have 15k or 40k hp :P

Ofab Sword>Mantis queen by far. Look at the dmg a 220 Keeper does with one of those suckers fully upgraded.

DD = pvm, shades are still gonna win DD wars on big mobs. MAs are getting close for missions though, & far less work in a zerg.

From what I hear at endgame the best PVM damage dealer is a crat. 2x charm lines + your pets + your weapons + nukes.

Oh, and love this nano :D

c'mon people....everybody forgoted about enfos? the pvp kings the class that can easly get 12k hp on lvl 75? the class who has the biggest armor in the gaem? hte best tank?

Auno comments = laff :p

you ppl don't have a clue lol

xai is absolutely right. just quickly read through those comments, 1st off enfos are pvp gimps (im talking tl7) dont even get me started on that crap. for the record i have a 220 enfo, so unless you do 2 dont bother arguing. second start this convo in forums or something, i read this to see where i can find this nano :P 3rd 220 shade is best dd in game, as far as i know... 4th enforcers arent great dd, 5th 220 enfos dont use mantis queen swords unless they are just standing at tg (afaik) . and in pande shades are not good dd, because it takes a while for them to fire off thier perks. if you are talking a high hp mob, there is no better tank than a shade, they dont get hit nearly as often as enforcers... and now they can get 15k hp or so with ofab. you wont pull agro from a 220 shade and hold it

osi @ 2007-07-10 12:14
there is no better tank than a shade

Nuff said! :)

Hm im wondering why there is no sense in shade buffs :(

lol at akrulz. yes, sadly enf dmg sucks, but the hp makes up for it. And no, you cannot easily get 12k at lvl 75 if at all. My enf is set up for HP and only has 12k self at lvl 140. and cool nano btw, rollable i assume?

LOL

engineers with dshark>shade, ma, etc.

Rollable?

Seems no one knows if it's rollable. I wonder how much I should sell mine for. I like reading this thread to to see over the years what people's opinions were on who was the best DD. And even as a 220 enfo player reading Osi enfo trashing comment its fun to see how much that's changed.

bloodwraith @ 2008-04-20 20:26
engineers with dshark>shade, ma, etc.

lmao! Engi with a Dshark? That's a new one! :P

engi d shark has been done a few times, definately possible.

It is rollable.

<troll> Obviously doctors have the best DD ingame... </troll>
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